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| Topic Started: Jul 5 2011, 09:29 AM (553 Views) | |
| hadukenzero | Jul 5 2011, 09:29 AM Post #1 |
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has anyone ever experienced heavy metal poisoning with birds? id like to know what signs people saw etc etc. im reading up about it but all the signs look the same and theres alot of them. obviously because zooky is ill. and gray is a computer repairman, he has bits lying about everywhere. i know zookys never eaten anything because im always watching him. and when he has had something thats metal its too big to be ingested. so im wondering if like licking and just generally picking things up can cause heavy metal poisoning. the lady vet we saw yesterday asked us if he'd eaten anything. except she was busy asking gray all the questions >_> not the person who spends every day with him >_>. so although she was helpful i couldnt get a word in edgeways to ask my questions. zooky does chew on alot of things, i thought id removed all the ovious metal stuff. the avian vet didnt mention metal poisoning. and im unsure that if it is a calcium deficieny does it really just hit like it did? hes had his calcium drop so i guess expecting a change over night is abit silly. but he still cant use his feet. he doesnt bother to try walk on them properly and he cant grip. but hes still eating,drinking and flying fine =/. not been sick, not done any plucking, hasnt screamed anymore then he usually does when hes in his cage. so yes people metal poisoning experience would be useful if anyone has any! |
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| Jan | Jul 5 2011, 09:41 AM Post #2 |
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Sorry I cant help you there.. Kevin lost a bird threw poisoning I think. Some one will be around soon to help Im sure. Good luck.. gotta be a good sign if he is still eating and drinking. |
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| scooby | Jul 5 2011, 02:37 PM Post #3 |
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here is some info on lead poisoning http://parrotlets.org.uk/topic/74466/1/#new |
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| hadukenzero | Jul 5 2011, 02:49 PM Post #4 |
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thankyou :) |
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| Jan | Jul 5 2011, 03:56 PM Post #5 |
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How is Zooks? Is it poisoning or something else? |
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| hadukenzero | Jul 5 2011, 04:12 PM Post #6 |
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i honestly couldnt tell you whats wrong because the vet did abit of guess work, we couldnt pay him the £200 he wanted to keep him in over night etc.. im unsure if the calcium drops are meant to make an instant difference.i feel like its more then calcium deficiency. and me and gray have no money left. i just have that bad feeling im going to lose zooky.hes sleeping quite abit now. at first i thought it could be boredom. so i gave him his mirror back, which hes thrilled to see, hes...hugging it for the better description lol. and just dozing by it. well i should say the bell attatched to the mirror, hes still eating. he hasnt drunk anything for a little while now, not while ive been watching anyways, but hes had his meds etc. and his feet are the same.although i think the left ones alot stronger then the right, but it was the right one that went first. thinking about giving him til tomorrow, then grays gonna ring up a couple of other avian vets to see if we can get lower prices then the dude we saw and better advice. tbh that avian vet wasnt helpful at all. hes supposed to be good, another vet said he was good. but he wasnt. zooks is still just sitting on the cage floor nibbling at millet and chewing the teatowel and hugging his bell. |
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| Jan | Jul 5 2011, 07:20 PM Post #7 |
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I wish had some advise to give you but I dont. Maybe he is more comfortable on the floor of his cage.. I can give you advise on how to adapt his cage if need be.. But its best to find out what has happened to him first. He didnt fall, or bang into something did he? I hope another avian vet can give you more advise. Keep us posted |
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| bakewell | Jul 5 2011, 07:30 PM Post #8 |
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I hope he's ok! Get him to the vets first thing! Parrolets are soooo delicate anything could cause this problem! What's his diet like? What calcium does he get just drops or cuttlefish fish too? Are you giving him the right dosage of liquid calcium? As for computer bits, don't let him anywhere nears them! Id only let my parrotlets near any metal if it was peshop friendly, metal contains alot of toxins towards birds. Can your fella tidy away his computer bits, especially if zooks is out around them. Awww I do hope he's ok!! <3 keep us updated. |
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| hadukenzero | Jul 5 2011, 08:22 PM Post #9 |
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hes still napping alot...i think when hes run out of things to do but he is tiring easily. we rung up the avian vet and i got gray to ask some questions for me , the guy was like bring him up il keep him over night. i dont think zooky needs xrays, just a blood test, so because we'v already got lots of info and im keeping an eye on him the next vet we see we'r basicly going to ask for blood tests. but hes doing well. problem is grays flat has lots of metal, i always tell zooky off when hes near it but sometimes hes just so quiet and i dont notice. he has millet, 1 spray a week and a cuttlebone, but i found cuttlebone they only get about 2% of the calcium from it and it may be he wasnt even eating it just grinding his beak. he loves his carrot and grapes and baked beans. not so keen on other things though,depends. sometimes he'l be like oooohhh something new and he'l eat it and then he'l change his mind over, but he loves different types of beans. i usually have it so he has seeded food in his cage and his millet is on the birdy playground with a bowl of dried fruit, carrot, beans,whatever ive got lying in the fridge that he can have so that he has to eat what hes got when hes out. otherwise he starts getting too fussy. atm hes got a teatowl on the bottom of the cage and his food and water down there and his mirroor and another little toy with a bell in it, abit like a plastic ball lol. i didnt actually know you could have liquified calcium. i thought cuttlebone was like a really good source but it turns out its actually a weak source. the millet is apparently high in calcium. and yea ive told gray, anything metallic he doesnt need in the room he has to move now. and try get the screws on the tower covered up. and both vets said his legs have no damage to them, so he hasnt banged them or anything. i gotta say its odd. his poo is healthy, he looks healthy, eyes are shiny, he looks cleaner then he did like a week ago because hes had nout to do but chew on the millet stick, look at him self and clean himself lol! his weights good. hes eating and drinking fine. possibly drinking less then i like but ive fixed that solution, syringe and a few drops of water, just for peace of mind. no runny nose or sickness or anything. so its either early stages of metal poisoning, an infection or its a late stage of calcium deficiency. |
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| kevinp | Jul 5 2011, 08:53 PM Post #10 |
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Normally the first thing you will know about heavy metal poisoning is that the bird is on the bottom of the cage the feet are crunched up and he is unable to climb or move, there is an antidote that can be given if there is time. Most of the time there isn't ! don't just look for metal items lead can be in paint, this is what mine were poisoned by they were chewing the window frames. cheap toys from china may also contain lead or heavy metals, chains and bells may also contain this. |
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| hadukenzero | Jul 5 2011, 09:20 PM Post #11 |
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he can definately move. he just cant grip anything. i dont think hes lethargic, he'l tire himself out quickly, but hes not oh im so tired i cant move or anything like that. hes sat there hanging on the bars on the door bit tweeting at me. usually he sits on the perch in front of it and chirps meaning he wants to come out lol. i think hes getting frustrated with the whole not being allowed out. but we'l get in touch with another avian vet tomorrow and get another appointment for him. thing is gray doesnt want to close his shop beause he cant afford to do it, gray was literally using the rent money to pay for zooky and he cant afford to drop the shop. theres not really anyone else i can rely on the drive me to poole or bournemouth for another vet unless we can get an appointment for after 6pm. how quickly would you say metal poisoning happens? coz zooky hasnt worsened, same state. he mostly chews on rubber things...the windows dont have any metal frames or anything. just a few nick naks of grays lying about when he leaves them behind, like tweezers, white ties...which zooky got hold of but he only chewed the plastic. but it does make me think, which is why im pressing gray for another vet. |
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| bakewell | Jul 5 2011, 10:06 PM Post #12 |
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Aw I do hope you get up in the morning and he's better! Just make sure your keeping an eye on what goes in his beak! They will chew anything ! I give my birds liquid calcium once a week ( sometimes twice) as not everyone eats the cuttlefish! |
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| theexbrit | Jul 5 2011, 11:56 PM Post #13 |
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Sorry to hear he's still more or less the same, it's really hard to tell what it can be. One thing, unless the vet has taken blood from a parrotlet before, don't ask him to do it. Parrotlet's are so small that the vet needs to REALLY know what he's doing as parrotlet's have bled to death when the vet tried to get some blood. They really don't have enough in their little bodies to use for blood tests. Most vets won't even try it here in the U.S. It could be some kind of fungus or virus infection, both can cause lethargy, but there's usually other symptoms too which Zooky doesn't seem to have. make sure that you don't have any old seed, etc, around, if you feed him pellets make sure they're in an airtight container & stored in the fridge (to stop mold/bacteria growth. Definitely keep him under observation & make sure his food & water is clean everyday or twice a day. Check for any toxic fumes, some debate is going on about non-stick (Teflon) cookware giving off toxic fumes when used. Make sure any vents in your place aren't dirty, my girl Boo Boo got a fungus infection in her lungs once & I think it was dirty vents at the place I was living. |
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| hadukenzero | Jul 6 2011, 06:50 AM Post #14 |
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i dont think we have vents...=/. we usually blow fresh air through the flat, hes away from the kitchen and cleaned out often etc etc. i can report zookys the same. which is better then him gettin worse. im wondering if the bbq did it? because we had a bbq a few hours beforehand and he was out in the garden with us, but the bbq was down the other end of the garden so none of the fumes or whatever should have reached zooky. either way gray will ring another anian vet today....il get him to ask if theyv done parrotles before. poor zooky =(. even though hes still happily chirping and acting like his legs havent gone. bah! |
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| Jan | Jul 6 2011, 08:08 AM Post #15 |
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Hope all is good news today |
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